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Episode 32 of Morning Maker Show: Don't be scared. There's nothing to be scared.

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In this episode, Dan and Sandra dive into the world of entrepreneurship, debating the value of working hard every day versus finding balance and enjoying the journey. They also explore the potential of AI in interior design, celebrate successful product launches, and discuss the importance of free distribution channels for app success.

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Dan: Good morning, Sandra.

Sandra: Good morning, Dan. How are you today? I'm excellent. I'm excellent. Every time we figure out a new challenge and how to spice up the show, I'm so excited. Um, and just waiting, what's going to crash.

Dan: Yeah. So we thought it's too easy. And we, we added StreamYard to the show, probably our next sponsor, because why not?

And now we have to set up two things at the same time. I think we did well, we're only seven minutes late this time. It's like below average for us, I think.

Sandra: Yeah, yeah, seven minutes is totally fine. We are getting better and better in this. I think we should also like, you know, when you're inviting those guests to a dinner and you know they're going to be late and you tell them that it's 30 minutes before actually, I think we should also approach this Same.

Just pretend it's 30 minutes earlier than we, than we are supposed to do the show.

Dan: It's called Fashionably Late, isn't it?

Sandra: Yes, yes, yes.

Sandra: And in my country, you can be 15 minutes.

Dan: It's still,

Sandra: it's still

Dan: okay. I think the further south you go, the, Longer, so it's probably, well, I know Italy, are you originally further south from Italy?

Or no, not really, because I think Italy half an hour is fine.

Sandra: Yeah, I mean, I don't want to talk about Italy rules. It's very specific country. Um, but it's definitely, we are definitely like Bosnia and Herzegovina, just across Italy in the kind of like middle east. Wait, no, it's a little bit north.

Dan: Wait, so you're from the south.

I just, I just realized that's like quite far south.

Sandra: Of course. Then do you see, I'm very like huggable and I talk too much and I use my hands as well, and I say things before I think and. It

Dan: makes sense. This is wow. Wow.

Celebrating Episode Milestones and Dynamic Duos

Dan: We've been doing 32 episodes as I just, just crossed my mind, but you're also from the north.

So it's like this combination cannot work. What's happening.

Sandra: I mean, it's the same as that picture I shared a few days ago. I had a Red Bull and orange juice. You have to have two things in life that are balancing each other. Right. Right.

Dan: So that's like the good and evil that, and then you're perfectly balanced in the middle.

So we're in Bosnia, you probably have no taxes that you have lots of taxes in Finland, so it balances out in the middle, right? It's just a perfect combination. Yeah. All right. Well.

Easter Observations and Upcoming Projects

Dan: Wherever you are, wherever you are, there is Easter today. I don't feel much of a difference this time. I don't know, except for the streets being empty.

It was quite a strange, strange feeling, but otherwise normal workday for me. Not too, not too bad, to be honest. It was a good day. I'm going to be bullied later on by Igor from Momentum. He's going to force me to build a product while we're doing his podcast.

Dan: Did I tell you about that?

Sandra: Yeah. You messaged me something about it.

And I was, Dan asked me, he's, he's going to get, um, product hunt. Guide my guide first. And he asked me if he can check it out before I release it. And then he wrote that he's building something with eager. And then I, I kind of like form this image in my head that he's launching something on Monday on product content.

He needs a guide. So then I'm scared.

Dan: No, don't be scared. There's nothing to be scared. I'm very excited about your guide, to be honest. I told Sandra, don't send it to me before the weekend because I need to be in the mood to, to properly consume this content. So I need to dim the lights, put the music, you know, soft blankets, relaxing chair.

And then slowly go for the course, you know, enjoy it, enjoy the tears that will come of all the goodness.

Sandra: Actually, I'm quite nervous about it. I have to tell you, I've been very stressing about it. To be frank and honest, um, it's my first time doing it. I don't know how people love their guides, like, because this is, I feel like I maybe put too many things, but I also try to minimize them as much as I can.

So I'm actually excited to hear your feedback. Is it too much or not?

Dan: Yeah, I think you should share more things like with me, especially, of course, as your friend, you should, but then in general, you should talk about things that makes it maybe easier to not feel bad about these. Like, I don't know when I, when I feel that I spent too much time on something and I share it and I get a good reaction, then I get my motivation back.

So that works for me. I don't know if it works for everybody. Of course, there's a slight chance people are going to give you negative stuff. So

Sandra: No, no chance because it's a very good guy. Oh, no. No, I mean just people are like

Dan: that

Sandra: No, I'm just joking Like I went very into details and I was very like my math teacher in school.

That was very mean teacher But very good teacher you learn your lessons, you know, so maybe my fear is that most people will not be that um into that vibe of the guide, if you get what I mean. You will read it and you will tell me.

Dan: Okay, so you don't know if the style is gonna, but I think no matter what style you do, there are going to be some people that like it and some that don't, right?


Sandra: yeah, that's for sure.

Dan: I don't think you can get that right, to be honest. And you're, it's probably going to be funny because you're funny, so. Yeah, yeah, there

Sandra: are funny moments.

Dan: Okay, but I have, I have something to talk before we get into the updates. I didn't mention this to you.

The Entrepreneurship Journey: Hard Work vs. Balance

Dan: There was a post in the community by, by Nico, Nico Jeannen.

from TalkNotes.

And he said that the only hack in entrepreneurship is working hard for 365 days in a row until the line starts to curve up. And then there's this classic line of, you know, flat line for like nine months and then slowly going up and then skyrocketing towards the end of the end of the chart.

First of all, what do you think about this?

Sandra: Uh, he said the hack is 365 days.

Dan: Yeah, in a row,

Sandra: you know, I don't know. I took a day off today,

Dan: so I'm out of the game. I guess you're lost. You're back at back at zero. Yeah.

Sandra: I don't know when you say it like that. It's a little bit scary. I don't want to put that pressure on my back.

Um, I mean, I, I do. I agree with him that, you know, you work hard, you can probably see the results, but there's multiple factors into that. And I don't want my dreams to be crushed because of the few days I miss out.

Dan: Fair enough. Do you think you're more productive if you work every single day? That's my question.

No, no.

Sandra: Do I work every single day? Well, I tend to. I took the day off. I didn't do anything today pretty much except the show today..

Dan: That's counterintuitive for me, but I think sometimes you, you need one day, so you move faster the next one.

Sandra: Yeah.

Dan: But it's very hard for me to accept that I need that break.

Sandra: Oh, for sure. I mean, we have excellent advices that we are giving to other people, but do we tend to follow them? I don't, I don't think so.

Um. It's, it's, it's really good if you kind of find the right balance, like even taking weekends off is good, even one day, even, even not putting the pressure on yourself to be, um, every single day. Productive because that's also very hard. Some days are just to do list task that you just go over it and You know, you are happy that you did that you don't have to be you know, every single day on point

Dan: Yeah, I completely agree.

I heard a lot of people that have this very strict rule where they say weekends There's no work in the weekends. That's just the rule and I think for All that is when you have a full time job, there's advantages and disadvantages, but I think having this rule in a classic full time job that the weekends are no work is actually quite good because you don't, you don't even feel tempted to do anything.

Sandra: And

Dan: then you're definitely more productive on Monday. I mean, let's not talk about the rest of the things that are not good. But I would like to try that with the weekend at some point. I was thinking that what the point that Nico is making is, or I'm reading between the lines, if you, are at the, at the zero line, at the bottom line, and you don't see it going up, you're also most likely not going to take those breaks because you're not going to feel comfortable to do so until the line starts going up.

Sandra: Yeah. So

Dan: towards the end of 365 days. So in other words, you need to put a lot of work in the beginning and then later you kind of get the, the benefits of putting that work, if that makes sense.

Sandra: Yeah, and one, one thing that kind of works for me is, and I tend to explain to this even for the new marketing person that came to Google, I said also to her, um, lower your expectation, please, immediately, and do the things on a daily basis, knowing that you will not see the result.

By the end of the day, by the end of the week, there's going to take some time and then everything we do on a day on a daily basis, it's going to skyrocket at some moment and you will see that line going up and you will know that everything you this line is everything you did previously is the reason why this line is going up.

So what I'm trying to say is this, um, motivation that is coming from these charts should be also in the background when you are starting. So that shouldn't be, or it's very easy to get, um, is it demotivated? What is the opposite of motivation?

Dan: Yes.

Sandra: Yeah. So it's, if you pay attention, like closely, why, why this is not working on a daily basis, you might get demotivated by that, but if you have a strict kind of like, and this, if you have the kind of strict structure on how to do things, um, It's much easier for you as well.

You don't have to push yourself as much as you think so.

Dan: I hope

Sandra: this

Dan: makes

Sandra: sense.

Dan: Yeah, I have like a, well, I'm not sure if it's strengthening your argument or not, but Dima Krasun has Essentially quoted this and has said, I don't see how hard work, consistency and sacrifice can guarantee success.

Sandra: Nothing

Dan: is guaranteed. And why should this be? Don't be fooled. You can work hard for the rest of your life and still get nothing in return. I suspect this is true. Why the wise teach us to enjoy the journey. It's all we have.

Sandra: Yeah.

Dan: Beautifully said.

Sandra: Yeah, he

Dan: did it.

Sandra: I think every, every, uh, whatever you take on your, whatever project you take, you're going to learn something and you should enjoy this journey of learning and trying new things and then figure out, figuring out things as well.

Um, the sex success is success is something very interesting. And I think we define all of us define success differently. I think there is a general idea of what success is, especially like in our community. Um, but maybe, maybe we can actually modify that and change that.

Dan: Well, success is very much associated with your revenue and not even the profit.

Sometimes it's just the revenue. And I think that, you know, I really like what, like what Dima said that. It's actually not only about the end goal of, of this, and it's about the decision that you took and the fact that every day you work on something that you like and enjoy that and be happy with that.

Of course, don't do that if, if, you know. You end up in a situation where you cannot provide for yourself, right? There's also a limit to that, uh, but I like the idea of enjoying the little moments of, of building something and not only thinking about the end goal and the money you're going to make at the end.

There's more to it than that.

Sandra: Oh, for sure. For sure. I think we learned multiple lessons even in this year and it's only like what March ending. So,

Dan: yeah. So very interesting topic. Do you want to take an update?

Sandra: Absolutely.

Exploring the Potential of AI in Interior Design

Sandra: Um, the first update is from Bob. Snaps the snap stager. com has 50 users now with three paid customers wondering what features I should add next.

First of all, Bob, thank you for putting the link. Fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Virtual staging in a snap.

Simply upload a photo of your empty space. Whoa, this is cool. And apply masking tool in which, and watch our AI transform it into beautiful staged room in seconds.

Dan: So you essentially draw like a, an area in the room and you tell it, you know, put a couch in this area and then it puts a couch in the area. There you go. This is pretty cool. Um, I, I haven't tried them, but I think a lot of the, um, There's these interior AI type tools, a lot of them don't allow you to like draw the areas where you want things to be.

It's sort of like, okay, make this picture this or that, and you can customize the prompt and so on, but you can't really say make something here and then something here. Maybe I'm out of date with that, um, with that thing, you know, what would be. The killer application for this? Please tell me. And I think you're going to have the same

Sandra: idea as I do.

Dan: Yeah, I think so too. Okay. At, at three, we both say at the same time.

Sandra: One, two, three. Ikea.

Dan: No way. No way. No, that's not, no, no, no, no. I promise we did not stage this up. So yeah, yeah, of course. Like if you have the Ikea database of furniture, You draw the thing up and then you also get your shopping cart.

Brilliant. And you pay for it. Who's building this? What are we doing this weekend? Yeah, I'm not sure if it's even Yeah, maybe you could train You can train some model only with IKEA stuff, but is there enough IKEA furniture to, like, cover all these cases? Or maybe it's gonna Maybe it's gonna create new types of IKEA furniture as well.

That could be a good app, uh, do you know? You know this community with IKEA hacks I think or whatever it's called

Sandra: of course not why do you know

Dan: Of course, I know well, it's because people get Pieces of, uh, like the standard pieces of Ikea furniture and they mix them together with other parts of Ikea furniture to create new furniture and it's super, it's brilliant.

And you know, you maybe get like a combination of a desk and a shelf that, you know, they don't sell, but people figure out how you put them together.

Sandra: Oh,

Dan: that's so cool actually. Yeah, can you share with me later on this? Yeah, I will I think it's It's not like there might be a community. I don't know there might be a subreddit and so on but it's just the thing Ikea hacks.

I once had to do that because I, um, I went in different feet for, for my couch. I just didn't like the feet. So then I looked and there was apparently like a huge amount of brands making Ikea compatible accessories and furniture. So like for the couch. You can get different fabrics from other producers.

You could get, you know, the feet and so on. It's, it's pretty crazy. Like just shows how big Ikea is that their companies niching down on some of their furniture and still having a business.

Sandra: Yeah. And I don't know how, how, how so that Ikea didn't, Ikea didn't jump on this wagon as well of AI and, um, taking a picture of your room.

It. For me, it seems so logical for them, but maybe it's just too much and they're quite comfortable. So there is a space for us.

Dan: I think they will. They're pretty good with apps. They have an AR app. Have you tried that? AI? AR. No. Augmented reality. Yeah. So you, you can, uh, try to place Ikea furniture in your house and see how it fits.

Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of, you know, when AR was hot,

Sandra: maybe it's

Dan: coming back again now with the Apple headsets. Maybe. Yeah.

Sandra: Yeah.

Dan: Oh,

Sandra: that, that's also one of the possibilities or the use case. That's also one of the use cases for them as well. Of course. Yeah. I know.

Dan: I think they're going to jump on it, but probably it's not easy for them to move that quick.

Sandra: Yeah. Brilliant.

Dan: All right.

Debating the Value of New Marketplaces

Dan: Speaking about selling things, I was seeing this tweet about a LemonSqueezy marketplace.

Sandra: Oh, yes. I even got an email.

Dan: Yeah, I got like, I don't know, 10, at least between 10 and 15 emails and it kind of got me thinking, I'm not sure what it is, but it kind of got me thinking, is it one of those free distribution channels that you get where basically they, they will do some marketing indirectly on your behalf and then they will, you know, That will sell for you and, you know, what's in it for them than I was thinking, but there's probably, you know, the commission that they get on the sale, right?

That's first of all, I don't think they're going to have more on top of it. Have you looked into this?

Sandra: No, I just look into, looked into the emails they send me. They just send it, um, the stores we have our, Approved for the marketplace where I had to approve them for the marketplace, something like that.

And I got super excited to see, but it's an interesting aspect if they make it like as a channel,

do wonders.

Dan: Yeah, I think so. I don't know how it's going to work in practice and I don't know how much work they will do for you or if, or if you still need to do some marketing yourself. But, you know, sign me up for another distribution channel. Yeah, no problem. I'm why not? Oh, he's been saying this, this for us for Setapp and some, some people that we know have said it as well that, Oh, maybe you should be a sponsor, Sandra.

So with Setapp, you put your app there.

Unlocking App Success: The Power of Free Distribution Channels

Dan: And they, they will do marketing. They will make a nice page for you and they will send push notifications that, you know, your app is available and you know, a ton of things. And they have maybe more than 100, 000 users now, which is quite a big channel. And, and then it just runs by itself.

The first month is very good, of course, because everyone's going to try your app and then it's going to settle into something, but you don't have to do anything. Like once you're there, you literally can let it. Let it run. I mean, you need to do support and keep the app running, but you get the free distribution channels.

It's fantastic. If anyone has, yeah.

Sandra: And I've heard great things about like people saying that they saw a great results from it as well.

Dan: Yeah. It depends on the type of app. So of course. If you have an app that is used very frequently, I think you can get actually a nice amount of money from it. Um, if you have a more expensive app as well, because they kind of have like a formula from which they calculate this, so it's The amount of users times frequency times price of your app.

So it's kind of complicated to know what you're going to make, but if it's possible for someone to, to publish an app there, if you already have an app, might as well publish it there as well, because there's no restrictions. So let's say you have a Mac app and you sell it on your own website through LemonSqueezy, let's say, you can also put it there and there's no restriction, just have it in both places.

And then people can choose.

Sandra: Yeah, yeah, sounds interesting, sounds very interesting.

Celebrating Carl's Launch Success: A Deep Dive into Metrics

Dan: Speaking about interesting, I want to take the next update by Carl.

Sandra: Yes, Carl, oh, oh.

You are making my Friday very hard. Carl Lindsvord. You should know this. Um, what a day yesterday. I'm grateful of the hashtag building public community could not imagine this response for all of you.

I want to do a little recap. What happened yesterday? My release post got 7, 000 views, um, 143 likes, 19 retweets, four comments. I got 49 stars on GitHub, got featured on micro launch, um, and we are live on Open alternative by Piot. 600 unique visitors to openpanel.


Dan: Let's go, openpanel. dev, it's, it's a link, although it's not a real link. It's, it's kind of, it's kind of a link and he put it in brackets. So it's not, you cannot click it yet. I'm happy. I'm happy. I've, I'm used to nothing at all. So I'll take it. So it's an open source alternative to Mixpanel. Um, the power of Mixpanel and the ease of plausible and nothing like Google analytics.

So analytics product. Um, with data visualization, overview, and real time access and a bunch of dashboards. Um, something to try. I don't know how Mixpanel works. Have you ever tried that?

Sandra: No, I haven't tried it. I haven't tried it. But I really like that he wrote that it's nothing like Google Analytics.

Dan: Yeah, they have a pretty generous free plan.

Well, uh, it depends how you track events, but 3, 000 events per month, I think these are custom events. I hope so. Yeah. Yeah. Because, so on Posthog, I think you have 1 million events per month, right? I think it's a little bit less, but

Sandra: for the, yeah, yeah.

Dan: Anyway, yeah, but then they, they track even if the user blinks or sneezes in front of the screen, right?

You breathe through the nose, like. Yeah, yeah. Uh, yeah, okay, very cool. Congratulations, Carl. This is like a fantastic launch. Um, I'm very happy.

Exploring Microlaunch: A New Frontier for Product Promotion

Dan: I think, so the launch was on Microlaunch. Have you tried Microlaunch? Do you know what it is?

Sandra: Um,

Dan: I mean,

Sandra: Microlaunch is getting a really buzz these days and I, I'm really actually excited to see, um, I've been on Microlaunch, I saw it, and um, it's very interesting, uh, app.

I don't think they want to be compared to product content. I think that's correct. So we, so, so how, how does it work? So not gonna say that it's, um, we compare it with Product Hunt, well, it's running for a week, so people are running for a week pretty much. Um, and then, you know, you're upvoting, commenting and blah, blah, blah.

But the layout is at least for me, visually so much better than, um, Product Hunt.

Dan: Got it. And then what's the, what's kind of the expected result if it's, okay, maybe I put you on the spot cause you said it's different from it, but it kind of seems like the same concept, people upvote, you get a trophy, then, Um, then maybe put that on your website that you got a trophy.

Sandra: Yeah.

Dan: What is the difference or is it just the duration that's different?

Sandra: Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much it's seven days compared to product hunt of what? 24 hours. Um, but I've talked with the maker and he said that also he doesn't want to push it in that direction of like going against product count or being compared to product content. I kind of agree with him. On on that so it's it's interesting.

It's very interesting to see that it's it's creating these bugs. Let's see

Dan: Yeah, I wish I think it's saeed if i'm not. Yeah Wrongly, I think it's It's kind of in our bubble. There's a lot of talk about it. So he definitely hit something. That's right I I think I've looked at it a few times and it wasn't, I mean, maybe it's me, but it wasn't clear how it's different from product hunt to me still, except for the, for the period that you get.

Right. So the whole thing with these is once you go further, what is the vision? And probably I need to talk to Sayid to understand what the vision is with this.

Sandra: Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think he, he's, he's on the right track. I think he he's gaining understanding of how it works and figuring out what would be the vision for the product.

So yeah, maybe we should test it actually. Maybe we should put some products there and see how it's going.

Dan: Actually, I might have, I might have. I might have tried that in the past. I don't know where to see. So, but I can remember, I remember it was maybe a form that I, that I published. But yeah, not, not really.

It looks fantastic. And I think one of the key aspects is that the community is engaged in this one, whereas, you know, we've been talking about products and being more and more, um, disengaged with the community and not listening, but that's changing.

Product Hunt's Evolution: Engaging More with the Community

Dan: I think it's strange, but don't you feel that that's changing?

Sandra: Yes. Um, so I've noticed it in the past few weeks. Um, ProductHunt started following people from community and I was a little bit jealous because they didn't follow me. I didn't quite understand what's the issue. And then finally they followed me. So now, um, yes, I agree with you. I think ProductHunt is changing.

I'm ready for it. I'm ready. They definitely react more faster than before. We can, we can say that.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, for sure. But also, the, the account, right, is active and replying to things and posting relevant things, you know, it's, it's, There's a totally different approach now. So something has changed from, from what I know.

And I think it was announced that, uh, uh, Jason Levine from probably, hopefully not butchering that has joined as the head of, um, head of something. I don't want to give you wrong facts. And he took over the product hunt account. And then that. That seems to have, uh, created a lot of change. And then, um, a lot of people start to actually relate with, with what that account is saying, which is huge for me, because the only thing that I saw from that account were, you know, startup, huge thing related, uh, tweets, you know, new chat GPT, something, and those are cool sometimes, but there's, there's also like a different side.

To, to explore and then I think the more active community that keeps coming back to product hunt isn't in the space and it should be valued somehow.

Sandra: Yeah, you're absolutely right. I definitely noticed the same thing regarding their activity on Twitter and what they are posting. And I also noticed that they are doing interviews now with makers and sharing their stories.

So it seems like they are digging deeper into the community or going back to their roots.

Dan: Absolutely, fantastic. Sandra, should we take one more update and then we go and uh, Easter? Do Easter.

Sandra: For sure.

Sandra: Henry.

The, the wait is almost over. A new date has finally been fixed for the release of BuyMate, 2nd April, 2024.

These are exciting times indeed. Hashtag building public. Hashtag, where is the link? Oh, there is a link. It is the link.

Dan: Where is the link?

Sandra: Click on the picture.

Dan: Oh, it's just a picture.

Sandra: Oh, it's just a picture.

Dan: Yeah, it's just, uh, this is like, Out of all the variations where you have a link that is actually the, the preview of the website, but it's not actually, I

Sandra: thought it was that.

Dan: Okay. So why you say, is it buymate. com or dot, I can try buymate. com, but I guess that's not it. I have a suspicion that's not it. There's no that's for sale Um, let me I need to find out what this is. I think it's a android app. It's gonna be on google Maybe it doesn't have a website yet. You know, maybe

Sandra: maybe we should guess again while you're searching for the link You see how long, okay.

This is a pure example why we are saying, put your links in tweets. It doesn't even have to be any more in the, okay. If you don't want to put it in the, in the tweet, it could be in your bio, but now it's not in bio and I'm just looking what Dan is going through while trying to find this. Um link to this website and it's almost impossible.


Dan: still searching for for it. By the way I went through the comments and so I think the only the only chance that we have is to imagine ourselves what this is So three two one go you tell me what this is

Sandra: So the website name is, um, or the product name is BuyMate. So I hope I'm going to get new friends for cheap.

Dan: So. Okay. You think it's, it's like Tinder, but for friends.

Sandra: But you can pay them to be your friends. So there is a big responsibility to actually be an active friend.

Dan: Right, right, right, right, right. Okay. Okay. Um, you're, yeah, yeah. You're probably, you're probably onto something there. Yeah. I think, uh, I think this is actually an app where you buy your mate's car.

Um, so. You essentially put your car there. You have the specs and everything, and, but it's, you're only allowed to buy your mate's car. So you cannot buy any car. So it's kind of like an inner circle, uh, car marketplace. That's my, that's my take.

Sandra: Did you read this somewhere? Are you cheating? Did you let me?

Dan: No.

Sandra: Oh my God.

Dan: No, it's not. Oh, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, okay, I should have read, okay, if you open the screenshot, you can see there is a blue text. Okay. So, just a pro tip to Henry here. Write more about the app and less about the, you know, launch dates and excitement. I mean, it's good to write about those two, but what is it?

Out of the five lines here, there's a blue line that says your reliable shopping list app. Hey, we found out.

Sandra: Oh, wow.

Dan: It's to make shopping lists. And then, okay. Okay. Okay. Look, look, look, look. Upon further inspection, you can see you can make a baking shopping list, groceries, um, go to the market and so on.

But look,

Sandra: it calculates how much it is.

Dan: Yeah, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. I wonder how it's doing that.

Sandra: Yeah. It's like

Dan: an approximation.

Sandra: Maybe you can connect with your stores or something.

Dan: Ikea. Why did, why didn't you say it's a. It's a store for buying IKEA furniture. Missed, missed it there. Missed opportunity. Yes, yes. I just want to tell you one thing.

Are you ready?

Sandra: Oh,

Dan: wait. Yes, go. Okay.

Innovating with InlineHelp : Enhancing User Experience

Dan: Tomorrow, I'm going to put InlineHelp on Shipixen. I've been meaning to do this for pretty long. I think a month now and I needed to add some documentation and add some technical things to it. But tomorrow I'm doing it.

Sandra: And I think it's, it's going to be great. Um, great source of information for you as well.

Yeah. Have you tried it? Um, I have logged in, I have set up some things and I didn't move forward with it because why, why?

Ah, I had some technical difficulties.

Dan: Oh, yeah, yeah, that's the question for me. I think I'm going to, I'm going to be pushing it to a new area because I don't know if it's supposed to work in an app. So let's see what, what happens. But yeah, essentially, I want to point it to, to my documentation and then add this widget in the app.

So then people can like press on an input field or. Like, uh, a label or whatever, and be able to ask, you know, what, what this is. And basically also chat if they don't figure it out. And I think it's such a good use case for me. Uh, but I'm also a little bit, um, you know, not concerned, but I have some questions about if it's going to work in an app or not, so I guess that's it.

I guess I'm going to find out tomorrow. It worked great on a website. I put it even on the Morning Maker Show website and I started to ask about us. And I hear a lot of, a lot of facts. It's pretty cool. Like it, it crawled all the episodes and then you could basically have a chat about Morning Maker Show and like.

Uncover fun facts and like easter eggs and stuff. It's pretty cool

Sandra: Oh, no, now I know what i'm gonna do this this friday evening

Dan: Yeah, it's cool. I i'm pretty much not the use case for this. Not at all. I like went completely off the rails But very cool that it worked Yeah All right, sandra Let's do some easter.

Easter Plans and Marketing Strategies: Wrapping Up

Dan: I think it's time to do some easter or for you because You I'm going to have a date with Igor and I don't know how we need to build something in one hour and launch it. Maybe I'm going to call you if I need help with marketing. Is that okay?

Sandra: Do you need marketing?

Dan: I need marketing. Well, marketing, marketing was reserved for next week.

And I mean, next week is marketing week, but maybe we need a little bit of marketing today.

Sandra: Um, anyway, I have understood that you have a call with um igor in an hour where you need to build things And then I asked you in the middle of that.

Do you need someone in marketing? And then you said maybe we will need someone for marketing

It's So at this point, um, you and me having these conversations are kind of really funny because it seems like we have very similar way of thinking.

Dan: I wonder why the show works.

Sandra: Also one big news for the people that are listening to the podcast, not the podcast space, I don't know, but, um, we are also recording all of this.

Um, and I'm hoping to kind of like push this video tonight so we can laugh or you can laugh. And see the process of reading these updates and our reactions And then also the most important part you're going to see is how long it takes them to find a link when there is no

Dan: Okay. Yeah, that's it Uh, wow.

Well, okay. Let's uh, Let's wrap it up. Thank you very much everyone for joining us I would like to to personally Say happy Easter. And if you celebrate it, if you don't, then have a very nice weekend. Remember that on morningmakershow. com, you have past episodes and transcripts and some lovely, lovely links to Spotify and Apple podcasts.

Be sure to, to check those out and listen to our wonderful past episodes. I recommend episode 29. Very good episode. Very good episode. I listened to it three times. It was great.

Sandra: You know, I have a problem. I stopped listening, stopped listening to other podcasts because I tend to listen only Morning Maker show.

Dan: I'm not going to say anything. Have a nice weekend, Sandra, and everybody. We'll see you Monday. Bye. See

Sandra: you. Thank you, Dan. See you, everyone. Bye.

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