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Episode 29 of Morning Maker Show: Professional panics and gym gains

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From silent microphones to gym triumphs, Dan and Sandra cover it all in this episode. They discuss the wonders of Webflow and the magic of SEO, all while trying to figure out what a gym is.

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Sandra: I, I, I had also issues with support where someone, I think I've told you this.

where someone was taking a screenshot from a totally different, um, product that does very similar thing to Klu and it didn't work. And they thought they were using Klu. They were probably comparing the product in the same time. And then they sent it to me and I was looking at the picture. And I see the problem, like, I can see the problem, but I can see that something is off.

Like, it took me time to realize this is not the same product.

Sandra: Good morning, Sandra. Good morning, Dan. I just had a slight panic attack because I saw you speaking and I couldn't hear and I thought we have technical problems again.

No, we are so over these technical problems because we are professionals now with small mics and there's no technical problems anymore.

We got this together. We know what to do.

Dan: I'm feeling so professional this morning.

Sandra: Me too.

Sandra: How are you? Did you have

Dan: a nice weekend?

Sandra: Um, well, yes. I mean, I was very productive this weekend. Um, it was snowing this weekend, which was a little bit sad. Um, otherwise very good weekend. I went to the gym. I vibe with the exercising now.

So I'm questioning everything I said about like, Um, hiking and all of these things. Maybe I will enjoy it. Maybe the point of the life is actually trying the things and not just talking trash about the things without actually trying them.

Dan: You know, on the internet, everyone needs to have an opinion first and then you actually try the thing.

Exploring the Benefits of Gym Workouts

Dan: But what, what is it about the gym that helps? Is it. Does it help with your mental state or, or just like, you feel more energy or?

Sandra: I feel much better about myself. Does that make sense?

Dan: Okay. So it's not really, it's not the classical things. It's just, uh, yeah. Okay. It's a Sandra. No, it's

Sandra: yeah. It's like, Oh, I did like this.

Sandra: Like, honestly, I think when I just started, the hardest thing was walking to the gym. Like this. And then when you kind of like get over that. When you figure it out, the best way to come to the gym or the fastest way or whatever is the thing.

Sandra: And once you are in the gym, um, I actually in Finland, I don't know, maybe in Denmark is the same, but there's a women's section and then there's a man's section.

Um, so and women's section is usually quite empty. So I feel more relaxed. What do you mean

Dan: there's a women's section in the changing room or? Not in the gym. Not

Sandra: just the changing room. Like the whole gym, you can like, there is like together part where women and men can be together, but there is also a women gym.

So you don't have to be with everyone.

Dan: I thought everyone's equal in Finland.

Sandra: No, sorry. We are all about that. But, um, so then women's section is always quite empty. So I, like, I don't know. I, even if I embarrass myself and I don't know how to use some of the machines and I'm like looking at it and reading about it, you know, I don't feel that embarrassed.


Dan: got it. Got it. Yeah.

Sandra: Yeah. Okay. I

Dan: also, I also don't think I know how to use the machines, but anyway, I didn't go for a run. So does that count as doing gym? Absolutely. Absolutely. It was so cold, my face froze. So

Sandra: I don't know what's happening with Martix.

Dan: Yeah, it's, it's a global warming. That's what's happening.

Sandra: Yeah, but it should be opposite than this. It should be sunny and warm.

Dan: Yeah. I think it's just, they named it wrong. It's just extremes, like, or very cold or very hot, but it's not just warm. Yeah.

Sandra: Yeah. But I like something,

Dan: I like something that you said. It's the hardest part is going to the gym. Like.

Starting to do thing. And it reminds me of this article that Greg wrote, you know, in the beginning of the year, how to make things. And that it was just start, you start, you kind of get into the doing things business. And then you go through with it and you, yeah. So it's the same when you do, A product.

Sandra: Yeah, that's a very good point. Just, yeah. Once you are out of your building, you have to continue walking. There's not a, there's no like going back now. You have to get to the gym.

Dan: Yeah. Well, there could be, cause you have all these restaurants on the way.

Sandra: Yes. I told Dan, um, I was, I was texting Dan and Alex when I was going to the gym and I said, Oh my God, there's so many restaurants.

And there was like really good restaurants, um, before the gym. And there was also fast food restaurants before the gym. And I was like, Come on, people.

Dan: So evil. But you did it. You didn't, uh, you didn't fall for the temptation. And Now you're, you're here to tell us updates on the show. You, you survived another weekend.

Sandra: I survived another weekend.

Webflow and Framer: A Comparative Discussion

Sandra: Um, Manuel Omigio, Omigio, Omigo. Oh, my, and I learned Italian for three years. Like I'm so good. So bad. This could be also Spanish. I don't know.

Functional cards in Webflow using flow script components. The audio player is combination of flow script and flow drive. Files are stored on flow drive works, works with Webflow CMS.

Dan: I have a question. Do you know what this, this is?

Sandra: So, okay. Let's functional. Okay. Webflow. I understand. Functional cards. Audio

Dan: player. I understand. Audio player. Yes. It looks super cool. So it's you can, uh, play things and then there's like a drive. Does, does Webflow have like a Google drive alternative?

It does. You can,

Sandra: so if something is stored in Google drive, you can post a link for it, but you cannot just play it like this. This is very cool.

Dan: Yeah. So, okay. Flow script is kind of like a language for Webflow. I'm learning so many things. So you can do. All sorts of plugins and stuff.

Sandra: This is very cool. I think we've seen too many of, um, framer stuff and very little Webflow templates that I want to check this out.

Dan: Yeah. I didn't know Webflow. Had like this deep integration thing where you can do, okay. I guess, I guess all of them support some sort of plugins that might be a good market for someone doing a side project, like doing a plugin for a popular CMS in general.

Sandra: Yeah,

Dan: but not, not Webflow or it's not your favorite.

Sandra: Well, it, if it has a good plugins and if it had like, um, nice templates and bigger community, it would be very cool. I think there is a market that Webflow is kind of missing out and that Framer is doing very good job on it.

Dan: I should try both someday. I know, I know they exist. I know they're pretty cool.

I've seen a lot of. People in the community using, I think, Framer, especially. I don't know why Framer is so big. You've used Framer for, right?

Sandra: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think it's just more simple and the flow is so much smoother than Webflow. So it's like when Webflow went out, WordPress was something you would compare to it and WordPress felt so heavy, heavy.

And I have the same feeling when I'm using Frame Framer and comparing it to Webflow, it feels just more smoother and easier to use.

Dan: So they're essentially compete on user experience. Yeah, the result is the same and probably have a big feature overlap, but just because of the user experience, you choose to use Framer instead of Webflow.

Sandra: Yeah, for Klu, I use, um, Webflow because I got three months for free. Um, and then, and, but now I'm paying it.

Dan: What, what, uh, What a good piece of marketing that they've done because now, now they got you, now you cannot move.

Sandra: Yeah. Now it's like too late, Sandra, to do anything.

Dan: Who said don't give free stuff to people?

Sandra: Always give free stuff,

Dan: especially if you have confidence in the product.

Sandra: But you've seen

Dan: this trend where people say, you know, having a three tier doesn't work. Did you see this?

Sandra: I mean, I mean, yeah, essentially. Yes. I, and I understand that, but it's always about the product. It always comes back to the product.

Everything depends on how depth of the product and how long you're going to stick with the users and how are they coming back? What is the use? I mean, all of these. Things needs to be in consideration to make that type of a decision.

Dan: Right. Right. Agree. All right.

Leveraging Free SEO Tools for Technical Audits

Dan: I'll go for the next one by Ilias our good friend and morning of the morning maker show, he says, and.

I already read this while I was explaining who he is and it's, and it's very clickbaity. SEO experts will hate me for this, but here's a way to do technical SEO for free. The content is good. Make a free account on Ahrefs. Actually don't know if that's how you pronounce it, but that's how I heard someone pronounce it.

Okay. That is step one. Step two, go to site audit, make a new project, import from Google search console, And last step, get a full technical SEO audit every week for free. That's right. I think not a lot of people, Ahrefs, they have this reputation of being expensive and they are, I think the minimum you pay is a hundred dollars a month.

But their free stuff actually has a lot of features and you can check your backlinks, you can check your, um, what you call it, the domain rating that they give you. And they actually do scan your website. I think you can even set the frequency and then they make a report and say, okay, this is the problem.

This is not a problem. And so on and so forth. Do you have a Klu on Ahrefs?

Sandra: Uh, SEMrush.

Dan: That's the other alternative. Yeah. Yeah. And they also have quite a lot in the free plan, I think.

Sandra: Yeah. Yeah. But they have a very interesting also paid version.

Dan: Yeah. So, okay. I'm thinking of my friend now and I'm going to need to explain why you need this.

It's. You need it for many reasons, but I think in the beginning, before you have that much data in Google search console about how things are going, they tend to have more information and then more information about your competitors too, which Google doesn't really have. So you maybe get an idea for keywords early on and get things going with, uh, with SEO, but later on, you also see a lot of the keywords in Google search console and, and, uh, Maybe not as useful on the free plan itself, but if you start paying, you can go really deep in keyword research and you can make like lists of keywords and all of that.

I did it once and I took it for one month and. Inspected all of my websites, did keyword research for all of my websites, exported as CSV, then canceled my subscription. Uh, and then that's it. And I got a lot of value for the a hundred dollars. Like I, then you don't need to be subscribed anymore. It's fine.

Sandra: Yeah. Yeah. You have set up a right foundation, I guess. Um, but this looks very interesting. Um, what Ilyas said. Is saying, I think it would be a great start for someone who wants to experience these type of like, um, products like SEMrush. And I don't know how to pronounce it as well.

Dan: Ahrefs, Ahrefs. Yeah, you could just say Ahrefs.

And I think maybe that was the intention, but I was, um, going through a course actually by Jordan, I forgot his last name, uh, Jordan (jdnoc) - course is called Rank to Sell), it had no very good course, by the way. And he was saying, and I, I'm not sure if he's from the States or not, but definitely more native in English than we are. And he was saying Ahrefs.

So I don't know. Uh, then I also thought, is that how you say it? I didn't know. Uh, but anyway, people get it. It's A H R E F S dot com. And I recommend that everyone adds their websites there anyway, when you start or not. I mean, it's free and you get a lot of value and you should keep an eye on that domain rating that you get, but also on the number of backlinks.

And later when you get more visits, you get a good, uh, good idea of the organic keywords that, uh, that you rank for. And that's essentially, you know, the, The, the biggest thing you can get, like, if you have enough backlinks and you start to have some authority, the only thing you care about is do you rank for organic keywords?

You can see that in the free plan as well.

Sandra: Should we do it for the hunted?

Dan: Uh, I think it's there already. I think it's there already. We can do an analysis.

Exploring Competitor Data with Ahrefs

Dan: Actually don't know how it is to share this, but if you pay for it, the funny thing is, okay, we're getting into shady territory, but if you pay for it, you can add competitor websites on Ahrefs and they don't require you to verify that you're an owner.

So you

Sandra: can see, yeah, you

Dan: can see all of their stuff as well. I mean, obviously they, they kind of scan the web for everyone. Right. So they will have. data for your competitors too and everyone. And then if you pay a small fee,

then, uh, you can get your competitors data as well and see what they rank for. And maybe, you know, if they have some blog posts that work well, and maybe you should do those blog posts too. And

Sandra: I'm laughing because I did that.

Dan: Not surprised.

Sandra: It's good. It's good. I, I, I mean, why it's bad. It's so bad. Is it bad? Is it considered bad?

Dan: No, it's, it's not. It's a tool. I need to use the tool. Sure. It's just, it's a bit strange that you can see all of this about your competitors, but technically this data is there, whether you look at it or not.

I mean, they collect it anyway, so might as well look at it. I mean,

Sandra: I mean, Google allows you to see all the, I think it was Google or some website, I have to check it, but it allows you also to see all the ads, competitors or any companies pushing out there. That's also pretty cool to see how they are positioning themselves.

Dan: Yes, yes, you can. In Google ads, another pro tip. If you go in Google ads, you have like a keyword, uh, I forget the name exactly, but keyword idea or explorer or something like that. And that's also a place where you can see competitor keywords and get ideas for keywords. And there's, you know, probably even better data that you can get on, on Ahrefs.

So definitely that, that's a hack too. And for that one, you also don't need to pay. Um, but you, I think have to work. Yeah.

Sandra: I love free stuff.

Dan: Yeah, I love free stuff. People in the comments say similar things. Free stuff is great. All right. Do you want to take the next one? I think we've talked about Webflow, so it's only normal to take this update now.

Framer Component Development: Infinite SVG Patterns

Sandra: Okay, Rio launch kits.

Working on my first framer component, infinitive SVG, scalable SVG patterns with full control of size, colors, etc. Would you use this? If so, what other feature would you like to see? Oh, this is cool. I think we had an issue when we were making a morning maker show with the patterns, remember?

Yeah. We

Dan: tried to do this in, in Figma and we couldn't find a good plugin that could do it. Yeah. It's super cool. I think I would use this, but I, I would want examples and sort of, um, you know, templates or something like that for it to be more useful.

Dan: Because if I have all the control and I don't know what's possible, I would, wouldn't be helpful.

Cause I would just look at the blank canvas and think, okay, what can I do that looks good with this?

Sandra: Yeah. Maybe for designers, this could work very well when they have a picture of how to use component, but for the rest of us that don't have like a design eye, it would be very useful. But you do have an example.

You know what I mean. You know what I mean.

Dan: Okay, the other rest

Sandra: of us. And I see colors. It's very nice, you know.

Dan: Next one by Okay, I'm sorry. Excuse me. Please take the next one.

Introducing Image2Text: A Handy Tool for Converting Images to Text

Sandra: But I have Uh, Loaiza

I deployed a website to convert images to text using AI, image2text. ai. com. I was passing some of my handwritten notes to Word the other day, and I decided to create an app to save time doing this. Maybe some people will find it useful.

I was asking my, it's a very cool thing.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. So you have some things scribbled down throughout the day and then at the end, you maybe want to put them into a to do list or something, and then you take a photo and then they go into to do list, right? That's how I get it.

Sandra: Yeah.

Dan: It's, it's a very cool concept.

I don't write that much on paper these days. Do you?

Sandra: No, not so much. I do have those sticky notes all around me, but I tend to ignore them.

Dan: You know what I think? I think you should narrow it down to the exact use case for this, because if it's in general, then the usefulness is goes away because after you scan it, you still need to do work if you need to put it in notes or so on, but maybe the app should be scan your written notes and get them into whatever popular application you use, Apple notes, right?

So this is all it does. Scan paper, get it in Apple notes as a to do list. That's it. And I

Sandra: would try to reach students. They tend to write a lot still. If they do. I don't remember. Maybe in my times.

Dan: In your times.

The Challenges of Customer Support in the Digital Age

Dan: Next one by Mathias.

Customer support is getting out of hand. People are apparently now calling us on Instagram for Oscar stories, growing pains, apparently. I never got a call from customer support on socials. This is another level. And how, okay, as a customer, How urgent should it be to create, so Oscar Stories, it's, it's an app to create bedtime stories for children.

How urgent was this matter that they needed to call?

Sandra: Um, I had my brother seven days, I will tell this story forever. I think, um, I had my brother for seven days. Trust me, Dan, when the kid wants something, you need to like, you need to go on Instagram and call the support and be like, help me, please.

Dan: Okay. Okay. Um, well I definitely understand Mattias here. Some days support is, is, is tough. It's a, it's a lot of time that you need to put into it. How do you deal with it? Do you, do you have, do you have now a person that had those support?

Sandra: No, no, no. We are still dealing it depending off. Like, is it technical?

Is it just a complaint? Do they need extra help or something like that? But usually it goes through me. We have like a bot coming and then we can all see it when it comes to the support and then we can react immediately. But I, I, I had also issues with support where someone, I think I've told you this.

where someone was taking a screenshot from a totally different, um, product that does very similar thing to Klu and it didn't work. And they thought they were using Klu. They were probably comparing the product in the same time. And then they sent it to me and I was looking at the picture. And I see the problem, like, I can see the problem, but I can see that something is off.

Like, it took me time to realize this is not the same


Dan: I can't believe this. I can't believe this. Yeah, I

Sandra: loved it. I loved it. It was so funny.

Dan: Okay, so what do you answer to that? Like, this is embarrassing, but I think You're using a different app. This is not our app.

Sandra: Yeah, but it was funny for me because it also took me a moment.

I was looking at this product and I was like, Oh, that's weird. Like we, we, we should, we are supposed to do that, but it's not working somehow. Like I was trying to figure out what is the problem. And then I was like, wait a minute, this is, this is different. This is a different product. It was funny.

Dan: You were thinking for a second, did the developers implement something new somewhere?

Sandra: Yeah, it was. Yeah. I was like, wait a minute, because technically the issue was, I don't want to go into details because I don't know, I feel like it's not nice, but the issue was like, um, It was so obvious, but it didn't work. You know, when you connect the app, you are supposed to find something, but there was an issue with seeing on different apps that were not connected.

And I was like, wait a minute, that's weird. Like what's happening.

Dan: So yeah, it was just

Sandra: different.

Dan: I'm sorry. I'm, I'm really enjoying that. This happened to you. I'm so sorry. It's really funny,

Sandra: but I found out what competitor problem is.

Dan: Oh, yeah. It's next level of competitor research. Super funny. All right.

Leveraging AI for User Feedback and Product Development

Dan: This is a very interesting one. So, One wrong he, she said, or I'm assuming how to identify user needs at scale. Identify where users gather like subreddits or Facebook groups. That's step one. Step two, use web crawlers to collect 500 plus of people's posts. I guess the number doesn't have to be exact here.

And number three, input all of the posts into chatGPT or cloud to summarize user's pain points and needs, and then be impressed. How about this hack?

Sandra: Identify where your user gathers. Okay. Subreddits and Facebook group. I get that. Use web crawls to collect 500 people's posts. Yeah. Input all the posts into chat GPT to summarize user points.

It's interesting.

Dan: What about with, with you, you have tons and tons of feedback. Have you ever tried putting it, all of it into some LLM thing and ask to summarize?

Sandra: No,

Dan: maybe it's

Sandra: maybe it's a good idea. Yeah. I've seen, um, uh, now you have a lot of like, um, customer support apps, blah, blah, blah, that are implementing AI. And then they can inside of their, um, apps summarize if there is a repetitive, repetitive problems that people are saying, which is interesting.

But this is a good approach, I guess, to figuring out what you're going to build next.

Dan: I think the only question I have is. Why go there, maybe it depends on the stage of the project, but why go on subreddits and Facebook groups as opposed to talking to your users, but if you don't have them and you're maybe looking to make something new.

Sandra: Yeah, for making something new. This makes sense.

Dan: Yeah. Cause otherwise you would talk to users and actually maybe jump on a call with them instead, or what do you think?

Sandra: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Or use these type of, uh, products right now where you can like, with your customer support, all, you know, In

Dan: yeah, exactly this, uh, this morning as I wake up, I go on EmailOctopus.

The Art of Email Collection and Engagement

Dan: com and I look at this and I'm, I'm very mad because you forced me. You, you literally said that you need to put the stupid pop up on hunted space. You know, one of these pop ups that prevents you from using the site and I hated it and I said, Sandra, I don't think it's a good idea. Just don't, just do it. I opened EmailOctopus and Hunted Space has 128 newsletter subscribers.

Explain yourself a moment.

Sandra: So I was I was super annoyed, um, that Dan on hunted space didn't collect any emails and there's multiple steps where he could have connected like collect emails. One of the steps would be in calendar where people actually submit their products when they're going to launch. It was a perfect opportunity as well to collect the emails.

Um, and then. Before launching on hunted, on product hunt, I was like, then you need, like, if you want to continue this partnership, you need to put that pop out and the issue with pop out, I think we are so used to be them being so boring and annoying and they pop out in the wrong moment. But I think we found the right balance when it comes to, to, um, hunted space.

And. Pop out.

Dan: So if people haven't seen this, and I guess a lot of them have not, it, it, it, it's a joke, but it's done in such a way that you're not too mad at it. I don't know how to get it anymore. , because I subscribe. , oh, there it is. Okay. And it says there's like a, there's a gif with a guy, like with the hand trying to say, give, give it, give it here.

And it says, come on, you know what to do. And then there's just one input that says, cool emails, PLS, please. Then I want in and then underneath the button is not canceled, but it is leave me alone. And I think because of that, people are not that, that mad at it. And also if you do subscribe, have you've tried the Sandra?

It says. Yes, we got another one and some people even wrote to us saying, I love this. Like, it's great. And I, I hate that it works, but it does.

Sandra: It worked like a magic. It worked like a magic. It's lovely to see. I love EmailOctopus. Um, Where is that sound when there is like applause, nice applause when we say Oh yeah, don't,

Dan: don't, don't, don't.

That's, I, we cannot technically implement these sounds anymore. We have the microphones. I'm satisfied with that level of professionalism. It's good.

Sandra: Yeah, but if you do put pop ups, and I think it's super important to collect emails, and we wrote that in, um, also to do list when preparing for product hunt, um, Like next, you know, whatever weeks you're going to prepare for product hunt, try to think about the product itself.

Try to implement the things that you can collect immediately during the preparation and not just putting time and effort into the launch, but actually every day seeing some kind of results. So yeah, good job, Brian.

Dan: Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much. Now I'm addicted to one more thing that I check every morning.

That's EmailOctopus. So appreciate it, Sandra. All right, let's take, let's take one more. You know, people are complaining. Okay. They're not really complaining, but it's kind of obvious that our half an hour length is more towards an hour these days. So keep it closer to 30 minutes, if possible. But I want to do, we do one more update each.

It's a deal.

Sandra: It's a deal. Um, my first hashtag building public project is out. I released a better version of my Chrome extension, TXT shop shopper shopper. Now you can add bold, italic, and strike through to your text on social media. I'm so happy that this is out. Give me the link. Uh,

Dan: wait a second. Wait a second. Is this like a premium feature? Cause you can do that on X. It's a, it's a hack, Sandra. Sandra, it's a hack. Yeah. You're not supposed to do this if you haven't paid. Elon Musk is coming for you, if you have, so, so, okay. It's okay. It's very clever. Essentially he adds this interface with bold italic and strike through whether you've, you've paid for what, how do you call it?

Pro or premium or whatever you've paid for X or not, you get the feature. Anyway, you just. This is, I love this.

It's very cool. Wait, let me cancel

Sandra: my premium.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. Well, what do you get anyway? You get, uh, well, you're supposed to get this, but now this is free apparently, or I'm not sure, uh, if this will be paid eventually. And then you get the ability to edit, which never works. Did you ever successfully edit the tweet?

That's what I mean. That's completely useless.

Sandra: Okay, Dan, you take the last one.

Dan: I take the last one, but this is like a one hour question. I'll try to answer it briefly. So.

Quick Tips on Starting SEO for Your Product

Dan: Bartek says

What's the best strategy to start SEO of the product on the beginning? I would like to follow someone here on X who shares knowledge about this process. Uh, so it's basically a course, the answer to this, uh, but what I can say in the shortest possible way is you need to.

read a bit about keyword research and I would look for long tail keywords specifically, and how to rank for that. Then we talked about the free Ahrefs before I would go in there and try to find some long tail keywords. So if you don't know what those are, they're, they're, they're basically when people go in, they don't look just for, you know, where you go for Slack or for a brand or for something short, but you.

Kind of ask a question in Google, right? So, uh, a nap so I can take notes faster. Right? So it's very specific and long. And when you start and you have absolutely no authority or anything, it's easier to rank for those and to be in the top 10 of those, let's say, but you're not going to make it. If you don't have backlinks.

So at the same time, you need to find those. You need to produce content for those. And I think the one that works the best is helpful content guides. If you can build up a knowledge base for, for these keywords that you find that are obviously related to your product as well. So you also help your users and at the same time, get backlinks, submit your site to directory.

We have Philippe from our community made this. SEO backlink, uh, Kickstarter product. That's super helpful is to start getting your first backlinks, produce this content and then add more, uh, more, more content as you, as you build the backlinks. That's how I would start. And then from there, you know, it's pretty complicated.

Then you, I would, I would, if you know nothing about SEO, I would recommend Jordan's course that I also did a long time ago. And it's been such a pivotal moment in my understanding of SEO. It really helped a lot, but you don't need a course to start. You need it after you kind of have an idea of how things work.

I think.

Sandra: Very good job. Very good job. Maybe you could add the Maybe you could add also the guide.

Dan: Oh, if he leaves guide. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I will. I'll put that in the comments for sure. All right, Sandra, I have a surprise for you.

Sandra: Oh no.

Dan: Today you will, you will do the closing of the show again because last time you didn't do a good job.

So I hope, I hope today you will impress me. Let's go.

Sandra: Oh, I was just looking through the notes to check if Dan maybe wrote somewhere the closing line, and he's just reading it from somewhere, but he actually does it. No notes. You need,

Dan: you, you, it's from your head. You need to thank you to, to our great members.

You need the website. You need the spot. You need the whole thing. Come on, let's go.

Sandra: Okay. Give me a second. Give me a second. Wait, people. Now I feel the pressure, pressure. Okay.

Closing Remarks and Community Engagement

Sandra: Thank you all for listening today. Um, don't forget to join our newsletter to keep up with the great makers in the community. Also make sure to, um, join our discord where we can chat and talk and be together.

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Dan: Oh my god, you did an amazing job.

Sandra: Oh my god, this is stressful. Look at I'm red and it's not blood.

Dan: I have no words.

Sandra: Thank you, It's a very hard job. It's,

Dan: as you say, I cannot give you 10 out of 10 because Then you don't improve upon this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You told me. I think that's your mother's quote. If I'm not misquoting. But I just have to say very well done. And I'm lost for words. We have to close it. I don't have anything else to say. It's perfect. Have a nice week everyone.

Sandra: See you all. Have a lovely week. Bye bye.

Dan: Bye.

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