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Episode 7 of Morning Maker Show: Towels, Scarves, and the Struggles of the Underneath Entrepreneur

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In this entertaining episode, Dan battles illness, fashion statements, and fictional trucks, while Sandra contemplates the stress of returning home and indulging in holiday activities. The dynamic duo delves into the building public community, showcasing products like an AI-powered branding tool and a no-subscription keyword research gem. They also ponder the fine line between genuine online presence and personal branding. And more!

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Dan: Good morning.

Sandra: Good morning, Dan. How are you?

Dan: I am, you know, when a truck comes on top of you with like a huge tire, and, you know, I'm the guy underneath the truck, I'm quite sick today.

Sandra: But I can see that and he looks gorgeous. You would never tell that he's sick.

Dan: Yeah, I have an entire outfit. So we actually, both of us, we, we put on, I think Sandra, just because she thought it's a fashion statement, we put on a towel on our head for no reason. It looks very good. Um, and I have a huge scarf and then a lot of clothes and a huge cup of tea.

So I'm good. How are you today? I'm

Sandra: great. I mean, it's really nice starting the morning with you. Yeah, I can sense that the day is going to be great. So that's nice. Yeah, I'm quite

Dan: excited. It's good. Yeah. Did you have a good, uh, good Christmas break?

Sandra: I'm, uh, yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm back home. It's really nice to be back home.

It's really nice. to eat all of this food and just don't care about things and then just survive. And, you know, you, you kind of discover when you go back home a new and different level of stress. Um, it's just. So did

Dan: you actually take some days completely off with no work? No, no. No, no. That's not possible.

Yeah. Just,

Sandra: it's just like working remotely, imagining that you are somewhere next to the sea and you know, on the beach.

Dan: But you are kind of close to the beach, right? I heard there's a good beach.

Sandra: Yeah. Yeah. We have like 21 kilometers of Mediterranean sea or Adriatic sea. Sorry. So, and we are very proud of it.

Dan: Probably the

Sandra: best beach. Best beach ever. I highly recommend you visiting Bosnia and enjoying the 21 kilometers of shore.

Dan: Yeah. I, uh, I will come there as soon as I get. Healthy and I hope I hope I will it's it's looking pretty bad, but I hope this is not our last morning. Make sure Please

Sandra: don't tell please don't say that because we just got our 100 subscribers And it would be really sad to lose you

Dan: at this point.

It's a nice way to go out, isn't it? You get the 100, it's like a very nice, yeah.

Sandra: All the big artists, they do become extremely famous once it, okay, we went too dark, Dan, we went too dark and it's too early for being this dark.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, it's too early, yeah. All right, uh, let's get started with, uh, with some people writing on the building public hashtag.

Do you want to start?

Sandra: Yes, I do. Um, we still Go with the full name, first name and last name is required, I

Dan: guess. Yeah, but you got a simple one, I think. But yeah, you need to pronounce the full name.

Sandra: Justin Harwood. Um, anybody looking to break into the sport industry? I'm going to be listing my app on acquire.

com in the next day or so, but thought it would bring, but thought, but thought I would bring it to into my hashtag building public friends first. It's fantasy sports rate analyzer app with lots of untapped potential. My It's also, it also integrates with the sleeper, um, API, so users can pull in all NFL road routers they have.

Okay. Interesting. acquire.com

Dan: Yeah. Um, I just think Justin here, he made a product and he, he wants to sell it. And, um, he, he's in a industry that I don't know much about, but there's probably, there's probably quite a, quite a bit of potential there. Have you ever thought of selling something on acquire. com or, or do they have any experience?

Sandra: I don't know. I've seen, um, like people selling there and having like great results. Um, but I've also heard different things, not so positive ones. So I'm kind of like hesitant. But it's great to see that there is a platform for, for, for just being able to put your product and sell it somewhere.

Dan: But yeah.

What do you think about, you know, selling a product in general and I guess moving on to the next? Are you, you know, a fan of focusing on one thing at a time and doing that or, you know, doing multiple things and sort of spreading your focus?

Sandra: Yeah, I mean, I do tend to do multiple things, but I try to kind of separate them or make them different.

Like Morning Maker show and Klu are two totally different vibes and I love both of them, you know, but just like going from a product, like. Technically thinking about the product of like, just building one and then not focusing fully on and then jumping on another product without not again, focusing fully on.

I don't know. Like, I've seen so many good products in building public community, but it's just that makers tend to, um. Kind of leave them at some point and just move to the next one. And then that's, and I think they are great product if they, if, if the time and effort has been put in it, I know. What do you think about it?

Dan: You know, um, I, I have this bad take on it, which is it's hard for me to give up on a product and. Sell it. It's because when I put effort on it, it's, you know, it's my baby, I, I'm, I'm getting too attached to the products. And because of that, it's, it's a pretty difficult concept to, to sell something. I think I will, I will have to do it eventually.

Cause like I keep making things and I cannot support all of them at some point. Right. It's gonna, it's gonna be required, but I really get attached to the product and you know, I don't feel good about. Selling them and I want to get better at that.

Sandra: I think you could find the right person. It's going to like.

Move the product to the different direction and they're gonna be really nice And you can always look at your baby and come back to it and take it over for a weekend. That could be an option

Dan: Yeah, so that's the concern if you sell the product will the person that buys and take care of your customers, right?

Because I'm thinking, I made a promise to my customers and, you know, the way I do things is to give them good support and, you know, help them out and so on. And then if I sell it to someone that doesn't do that anymore, and then just focuses on revenue or whatever and has, you know, damages the reputation of the product, then I think indirectly also damages my reputation.

Maybe that's the wrong way to see it, but yeah, that's also a big reason. Um, so I, I think one day I'll have to do it. I'll have to, to take this decision and, uh, and sell something. So not there yet, not there

Sandra: yet. But I've seen, oh, sorry. We just, it's a very interesting subject, but I seen, I think Dmytro wrote something about it, that, um, he sold.

Um, or he sold his product, but he sold it to a person that had a plan on how to move the product forward. So he felt comfortable in that. And that was like a really nice approach. I liked it. Yeah,

Dan: exactly. Yeah. Okay. Let's move to next one by

Jorge Medina.

I'm it's, it's, it's, it is the way to say it. You didn't know it yet, but that's exactly how you say that name. Um, yeah. So he says, over 60 people in the wait list for EasyBranding. io already. And, uh, a GIF with a teary woman being happy. Uh, Easy Branding is EasyMade personal branding craft. An impactful and consistent personal brand identity for TwitterX.

Interesting. Stand out and start getting noticed. This is, I haven't seen a product like this before. So upload your

Sandra: headshot, pick your brand colors, write your brand statement. You can do everything from one place. It's interesting.

Dan: Yeah, so it basically creates, ah, okay, so it creates like a nice cover and a nice profile image and some, yeah, interesting.

I mean, I, I'm open to try this out. I wonder if, like, is it one of those that updates automatically? Because I've seen that at some point where the, um, the cover has like dynamic text or, you know, some, some sort of, uh, Interactive thing that could increase your engagement, not sure if it's that, but it looks pretty cool.

Sandra: Yeah, it looks pretty cool. I've never done it, actually. I'm quite interested. Does that, um, like having the whole branding thing on your Twitter, um, works because just thinking, just thinking about my, my picture on Twitter, I have such a hard time. Even imagining it, it's changing, changing to something else,

Dan: you know?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, it is a shock when you do that, people don't recognize you anymore. Yeah. So, um, yeah, it's interesting. I think, you know, that, that's one part of it, but your so called personal brand is also, you know, what you post and then what you reply and so on, which is maybe the more important part of it.

I'm not sure. What do you think? How important is the cover in the actual profile?

Sandra: I don't know. I, I, it's just me. I don't quite, um, it, it is very nice to see someone having it, everything put together, but it also maybe it's just me, but it's also giving me a different, a little bit of vibe that someone is trying to also sell something to me.

Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. That's one of the things that I struggle with is being actually genuine and not. You know, one reason, of course, we, we cannot hide that we're on, on Twitter to talk about our products and to, you know, get people to try them out, but doing that in a genuine way and being true to yourself and not going into this, you know, brand, personal brand and maybe faking it a bit, I'm, I'm not a fan of that approach.

So, and I think that you also see that it works best when you don't do that, when you, when you are yourself. Always

Sandra: it's it's the thing that works best. You know, there's no need to push something somewhere. It's and especially at the beginning. I think we tend to at the beginning. I see that people tend to have this form images of whatever they are on online and I would just let that go like it takes so much time to realize who you are on like social media and what you're trying to do and then kind of try to find your own voice in that.

So. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah, completely agree, completely agree. All right, next one by Serge, you want to take it? Sorry. Very

Sandra: good

Dan: subjects. Yeah, it's, it's a Every single time I'm, I'm surprised by what you find actually thought because it's slowing down that we're not going to find that many posts today. And I was concerned, but it's good stuff.

Yeah.

Sandra: Okay. Oh my God. This is probably four times me reading this name and I still have trouble with it. Sergio, Sergio, um, someone please explain how.

photorush.io got 300 plus backlinks in few weeks, plus dm. I checked it had 30.

Dan: Interesting. Um, I think that could happen easily if you're on Reddit.

I've seen that. So Reddit has a way of linking the comments and creating a lot of unique URL for comments. So if you get like a good post, you can easily get hundreds of, um, hundreds of backlinks. I think you should be able to. To tell where those come from, he seems to be using, uh, Ahrefs, um, it's not always that the quantity beats the quality here because you can have, so if you do a very good post, you can have.

10, 000 or 60, 000 backlinks, uh, but if they're all from Reddit, you don't get much of an SEO boost. It could be that. It could be that. I'm not sure.

Sandra: It's just not really nice to see the number, I guess. You know, you get surprised.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. It's like a nice chart, you know, going like a hockey stick. Yeah. You know, I'm, I'm happy for Sergio.

Yeah. Okay, I can take, uh, the next one. Oh no.

What did you say? Um, Zeeshan Sami. Now edit any part of your website with AI using WebStitch. Interesting. You can use it to build fresh looking dynamic websites using AI and no code. Ask the AI to add scripts, animations, gradients, backgrounds, or just everything.

It works. How? How? Yeah, how? Okay, so there's an editor, and you basically pick a section, and you give it a prompt where you say, you know, in this section, create features, for example. Create a grid of features, and then the AI does it, and then it's kind of a drag and drop situation where you can move stuff around.

It's a very cool product. It's a very cool product. So web stitch AI, it's called. I think I'm going to try this. I've seen entire pages made with this, like a similar concept, but I haven't seen a product that can do fine grained adjustments like this, where you can, it's like a mix between, hmm, Framer?

Yeah. Oh, very cool. Well, I'm, I'm really surprised by what we're finding, like people, they haven't stopped towards the end of the year. No. It's been such a great year though, hasn't it?

Sandra: It's been a really cool year. I, I actually, this year was quite special for me. I don't know. I mean, but you, you started also in January and I was reading some posts from the people that on Twitter that they're going to push harder in 2024 and et cetera.

And I say, yes, push harder because this was one of the best things that happened to me.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah, it's been amazing. Like, you know, I didn't know you before this year. So that's basically already a highlight. I've learned so much. Sorry,

Sandra: that is the, this whole point

Dan: of this. That's it. Right? Nothing else matters.

Yeah.

Sandra: No successful products. No money made. Nothing. Nothing. Yeah. All of that on the side.

Dan: Yeah, that's the thing, so, you know, we had this somewhat big drama with you're not here to make friends and so on, but I, I think that that was the best part for me to be honest. The friends that I've made, it's, it's just amazing that this happened.

Sandra: For sure. This was really special year for me as well. I've never thought that you can learn so much from others and, um, make friends and, you know, go through this journey kind of together.

Dan: Do you have, do you have any New Year's resolutions or, or what do you think about that? Do you, do you believe in that concept at all?

Sandra: I mean, I've tried it too many times to kind of just quit from it. It's, it makes no sense to me anymore. Um, there are certain things that I like to kind of see and learn and what can be improved for the next year, but I'm not a big fan of, okay, now I'm changing my life. You know, now I'm going to go for a run every single day and this, you know, and things like that.

It's just too much

Dan: pressure. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly it. There's so much pressure you put on yourself and it's as soon as you don't go for, let's say a run, then you feel like you've failed. That's, that's why it doesn't work for me because it's easy to give up on it. Yeah. My take is a better approach is to.

work on your habits and long term things and have, you know, goals that are more aligned with your everyday work instead of saying, I'm going to completely change my life and do this or that starting on the 1st of January. I don't really believe in that. Yeah,

Sandra: me neither. Me neither. Lower your expectations.

That's for sure. That's my motto.

Dan: My life goal every year, the lower the better. All right, do you want to take the next one, Sandra? Yes,

Sandra: please. I love the memes. Um, no, Esben, Esben.

Just bought my first domain in a long time.

It's nice to feel a little, a little invested in a project instead of just doing tests in GitHub repo, repo, repo. Yes, buy yourself a domain. It's the end of the year. We all deserve a little present, you know,

Dan: so. Yeah, um, I was actually, I have an interesting topic here. So Daniel, uh, the maker of Bolt AI and some other products, you might know him.

Uh, he, he had this tweet regarding buying domains that expired instead of, uh, you know, getting a new one. And he had an example on, on how to do it. You can go on this website and you see a list of, you know, all expired domains and some of them already have a good, uh, authority. Because of the previous owner, some of them are also spam and, you know, very nasty ones.

But what you can do is, you know, it takes a very long time to build on SEO and get backlinks. You, you can spend some time and instead of getting a new domain, you get one that's expired and basically shortcut, you know, maybe months or even years of, of building backlinks. It makes so much sense. Yeah, that's a very interesting, um.

Very interesting approach. So I've done that, um, but the problem was, I had a, uh, I'm not building anything right now, but I had a product in mind, and I was, okay, yeah, stop building stuff then. And I was searching for something that could work. It was very difficult to find, you know, a good one, and then some that I found, I mean, not all of them had a good reputation, some of them had a very bad one too.

So it wasn't like a easy, you know, make a search, find the domain and buy, but it's, it's definitely worth doing that. If you can find something that works for your idea, I'm going to try that maybe in the future. And yeah. And then the, the, you can select available domains there. So. You don't have to go for a broker or anything.

You can basically buy it on whatever you use. Not GoDaddy, hopefully. So, yeah, pro tip. I can find the, I forgot how the website's called. There's a website. Okay, I can take, uh, I can take this one. By. Wow. Vic. Juju.

Very well done. Uh, maybe this is a hot take, but it's funny how everyone in the community praises bootstrapped and indie hacking, and 80 to 90 percent of the tools we use are backed by VC or angel funding. It just makes you think about it. It is a hot dig. Yeah. Do

Sandra: you agree? I, I, I, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I think I said this multiple times bootstrapping is extremely hard, like really, really hard and indie hacking as well.

Yeah. I, I, I don't think we ever were saying anything different. You know, we do tend to say it's fun, it's interesting, but we never hide the fact that we see how hard it is.

Dan: Do you agree that we don't use that software? Because while, yeah, I use a lot of, you know, big VC software, I also use a lot of software by indie hackers too.

Maybe half of it, in my case. And also because I love exploring these products and, um, trying out new approaches to it.

Sandra: Yeah, we take, our take is a little bit different. We get excited about different products and we, even though we don't have a problem, we are more eager to try it out and then see if it fits our need.

Um, but when it comes to. Bootstrap products or VC backed products at certain point when you land on the website and depending on how you land and on the website you don't quite care you or you don't even know if the product is bootstrapped or It's it's it's it's VC back that's why also indie makers have to go outside of this bubble where it's only about Like in the community, like, you know, just, just don't imagine that people that are using your products are only indie makers.

We have to like find the ways how people are landing on our product outside of our own bubble.

Dan: Yeah. That's a great point. Yeah. Yeah. I think in general, since I've started building this, I've started to use more, more indie software. It's also because It's easier to find now, and, and as you say, you don't look for indie software, you just look for whatever solves your, your problem, right?

Yeah. So you don't really care who made it, but because we're in this bubble, as you say, we, we tend to see more indie software and try it out. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I've been using a lot, uh, a lot more. Indie software and also on, on set up, I don't know if you've tried that, um, they basically have this subscription where you get access to apps.

A lot of apps there are made by Indie hackers and they're, they're awesome. I, I use, I don't know, maybe 15 apps there, like on and off. But yeah. Yeah, so I don't completely agree with the sentiment that most of the stuff that we use is VC backed, and No, no, it's not. Yeah. Alright, do you want to take the next one?

Yeah, please.

Sandra: Um, ooh, I forgot to put, okay, I'll do that. But yes, oh no, oh Dan, it's so easy to hate you sometimes.

Dan: I picked a good name. Do

Sandra: you use AI to write blogs for your SAS?

No. Never in my life, I have used AI to write my own blog. Okay, so I'm going to be honest, it's very hard for me to understand how someone can just use AI to write the blog. And like this, Hey, Hey, ChatGPT, this is the title, write me a blog about it. Yeah. I don't. Um, but ChatGPT, can you check grammar from this?

Dan: Yeah. Perfectly. Right. Or what I do is do outlines. So I say, well, I want to, I want to write about this. Can you make some outlines for this, this post or, you know, five headings or, or kind of get the ball rolling? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I just, I just think. It's easy to spot those, these types of posts, you know, like the same with, with people, people using, uh, AI to reply to tweets and, and so on.

It gets so easy to spot those, and it's, it's kind of embarrassing, and if you do an entire blog post, uh, I, I don't know, um, what's, you're trying to find the shortcut to maybe get on Google, it's definitely, is, is it useful even for people to, To put those types of articles out, right? That's the question.

Sandra: I mean, I think I saw someone on Twitter writing this whole concept of how they skyrocket their SEO, you know, with AI writing blog.

So it does kind of work, I guess.

Dan: I've seen that too, but you know, Google has a pretty good way of ranking these by how useful they are. And I think when you see the success stories, it's probably a mix of AI and Some more personal things that they put in there, or maybe media as well, or, you know, um, because it's quite easy for, for Google to figure out that that content is not, it's not useful.

I, I still believe that there is a point to be made to write these, uh. Um, you know, quality articles and then based on how long people stay on that article, um, Google figure out if this is actually, you know, worth indexing and putting it higher. So for example, you know, you, it's easy to spot that because once you click on a result, if you stay there for 10 seconds and then you go back to Google.

And then you click on the next one, right? And then you just stay there for one minute. That's a pretty good indicator for, for Google to figure out, you know, this, this is maybe not that useful to people. So I think even if you get a short term win, that it's not going to last that long. That's just my take on it.

Sandra: Yeah, but just, I think in general, it's a great, um, tool to use to help you to move forward and faster for sure. Just, um, I, you know. As you said, it's, if you're, if you are using AI fully and not putting your own input into these blogs, people can sense it. And that's, I've seen that also with these tweet generators, it's so easily recognizable, whatever is tweeted on the first go, and then the AI is replying.

They are always, um, taking the sentence from the original tweet, you know, like this small, so, but there is definitely a use case. Yeah,

Dan: yeah, I, I think you can, you can definitely use it to enhance some things, but you also have to think about your voice and tone and your overall marketing approach, which is not something you can, you can get by, by doing that, right?

Perhaps you, you could train. Uh, which had GPT or, or have a sort of a layer on top with, with your voice and tone and then get some articles out that follow that. That could be an interesting concept. But at the end of the day. You know, you, you have to consider the way you talk to your, to your users, to your audience.

And I don't think you can quite capture that yet, uh, by, by generating an article from top to bottom.

Sandra: Yeah, I agree.

Dan: Yeah. All right. Do you wanna, do you wanna talk about our sponsor for today?

Sandra: Yes. So, um, we have something very special. I think we are preparing people for the 2024 and SEO and what to do next.

And we are learning in the same time. So today we are bringing you seo-stuff.com from Yossi Segev. Um, but it's an excellent keyword research tool without monthly subscription. What does that mean?

Dan: It means you pay once. That's it. It's a crazy concept, huh? You just pay for it once and you can use it. Back in my day, this used to be how you do it.

Sandra: Um, get new keyword ideas, understand keywords, spy on the competition, search volume trends, estimate monthly traffic, SEO metrics. I mean, you have it all. Thank you, Yossi.

Dan: This is actually an awesome product, huh? Yeah. What is the, hmm, does he have the price somewhere?

Sandra: So small pack goes around 6 for 2, 000 credits.

And then there's 13, 6, 000 credits and 22 for 10, 000 credits.

Dan: Ah, okay, so it's a credit. Uh, credit system, got it, got it. Yeah. So yeah, like middle ground between subscription and, and one time. Right. Yeah. All right. Awesome. So check out seo stuff. com and, um, yeah, great job, Yossi. Great job,

Sandra: Yossi. Yeah.

Dan: Um, kind of running out of time, but we can take one more if you want.

Sandra: Yes. Tanel.

year is almost over. And no more design roasting coming. Hope my roast inspires some founders and perhaps give, give insights to other designers. Oh, I love good roasting, actually. This is, this is how I met, actually, Alex, because she roasted my, my website. And I was like, who is this person roasting my website?

Dan: Yeah. Is it, is it true that maybe Alex and Nick, uh, so Alice, Zoo, @aliszu, Have they created this thing or was it there before with the roast thing? I'm not

Sandra: sure, maybe there was something like it, but I know it's, I kind of like. noticed it or started to see more and more after Nick and Alex doing it. So I'm not saying that they've invented the concept, but I, you know, I, I'm seeing first time from them.

Dan: Yeah. It's a great way to, to get leads though, and to also show your work and your abilities to, to design. It's, it's a pretty nice, um, Yeah, it's a pretty nice approach. I think these days, um, the, the roasting concept is, is quite popular. I'm not sure if it's going to get a bit overcrowded. Everyone's roasting, you know, the marketing is roasting the design and so on and so forth.

But I always like it when it happens to me because maybe I don't agree with all of it, but you at least get some ideas and maybe change part of it and so on. So yeah. Yeah. I, I.

Sandra: I also, I also dig the vibe because, um, sometimes when you are building or designing, you don't see certain details or you don't see a bigger picture.

And then when you have a third party coming in and roasting your website, they do notice these, um, and just give you a different, different perspective.

Dan: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I just had, uh, a roast on Shipixen on, on, uh, The landing page and I have actually no remember who did it's embarrassing, but I'm sick.

So that's fine. Uh, and I got a brilliant idea from it, which was to, to basically offer, uh, the app for, for download and to. Just give it without paying so people can try it out and then to create a funnel for people to, to upgrade. So you, you get to use it, get to try it, you maybe even see part of the output and then, then you might buy it if, if you, if you like that.

So that's a huge win from, from a roast that I got and I'm planning to do that. So yeah.

Sandra: Yeah. You see different perspective. You always learn something new.

Dan: Yeah, amazing. So last thing we have, uh, Nathan in the comments, he's saying, I finally get to listen to one of these live, even though it's 1am. Thank you, Nathan, for, uh, for staying up late.

We're going to try

Exactly. We're going to try to do two time zones. I think we tried it last Friday or whenever we did the last one, first day, um, and that should be a more friendly time zone for the U S. But, um, yeah, we're just going to do two time zones and hopefully it's easier for people to join if you can join on.

Monday, maybe you can do it on Friday, but let us know if you have a suggestion. I really don't like time zones

Sandra: It's not that we don't like them. It's just we don't understand them Yeah,

Dan: it's it's a difficult concept for us But if you have a suggestion for the perfect time when everyone can join, please let us know We kind of trapped ourselves by calling it the morning maker show because it's supposed to be in the morning But then morning for whom is the question, so, yeah, we can do the evening maker show.

Yeah,

Sandra: I mean, there is potential here to figure the things, figure the things out. So I hope 2024 will be the year where we kind of. I don't understand what the heck are we doing?

Dan: Yeah, well, in the Evening Maker show, we could have alcohol, so that's a plus. Very true.

Sandra: Yeah. Very true, Dan. You see? Now we are talking.

Dan: Awesome. All right. I'm about to lose my voice completely and I will make a huge cup of tea, but thank you everybody for joining us and for listening to these awesome updates. I am so surprised that for, for this period where people are slowing down and not working so much, we found so much interesting content on the building public hashtag.

Yeah.

Sandra: Yeah. Every time. It's been fantastic actually. I've never thought that building public hashtag is this active. And I, I think this is the first time where it was extremely active because I didn't see any like previous posts too. And that usually happens when we are doing a morning maker show. Um, so yeah, people are working.

Dan: Yeah, people are stepping it up and trying to get the last things in before the new year comes. It's awesome to see. So thank you everyone. Remember to sign up for the next episode on morningmakershow.com and also sign up for the newsletter. Sandra's gonna send the most awesome newsletter. She's been working on it for how long?

Sandra: Too long. It's been a week now, but today, today, today's the day.

Dan: What can you give us a teaser? What's the best part of it? I just

Sandra: want to celebrate all the people in the community and I'm trying to find the best way on, on how to do that. And right now I have all of your faces in my Figma. So just hope for the best.

Dan: There will be faces. All right. And there will be also a bunch of discounts and apps and free stuff, right?

Sandra: Yeah. A bunch of discounts from really cool people and really nice products. And I'm excited. And I, I, I, why am I working? Why it's been seven days? Because it's just, I just wanted to make it. Oh my God.

I just want to make it perfect. And this is the first thing that we are talking on the Morning Maker show. Don't try to make it perfect. Just push it. I should listen to my own rules. Yeah.

Dan: You listen to your own advice, please. And just push it. All right. On that note. Thank you again, everyone. And thank you, Sandra.

Thank you, Dan. Thank you, Dan. We will talk to you soon. Bye. Bye.

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